. >> well, i think it's safe to say boehner is not forcing either of you guys out, right? >> that's pretty true. >> it might work a little bit the other way, rush. >> mary, do you think demint made the right choice to have more influence? >> yes, absolutely. our hero once said, ideas drive history. ideas drive progress. and heritage has long been a vaunt of so many good ideas. they're respected. we find in congress, it's a piecemeal process. these guys have big ideas and big frameworks, he has a conservative, that was a brilliant move, a good move for us, a brilliant move for him and it also leaves nikki haley to fulfill her vision of legislative reform and real economic reform by appointing someone like tim scott. >> the only african-american in the senate right now. >> the actual quote, ideas for good are evil. what does this do to heritage? this is sort of taking the think out of the think tank? this is turning -- >> george, you were there at the beginning, sort of, at the heritage foundation. >> 40 years ago this year i was crucial to establishing heritage because i wa